Um I've been part of a clinical trial , three doses of MD Ma which certainly altered my , the the quality of my conscious experience in ways that led to a lot of lasting and at least for me valuable learning . So what are your , what are your thoughts about psychedelics in terms of how they intersect with the discussion that we've been having ? And um what utility do they play in recognition of the self or in other sorts of brain changes ?
So what are your , what are your thoughts about psychedelics in terms of how they intersect with the discussion that we've been having ? And um what utility do they play in recognition of the self or in other sorts of brain changes ? Well , so Uh , yeah , let's just price in all those caveats that people can anticipate .
Obeyed , et cetera . All that stated it was psychedelics to me are an experience of uh altered perception , internal and external perception , altered spacetime relationship , somewhat dreamlike . I think it was Alan Hobson at Harvard for a long time , talked about the relationship between psychedelic like states and dreamlike states um because of this distortion of space time dimensionality .
But it had been , you know , 25 years since I had done that . And , and there was this resurgence in research on psychedelics and I was being asked about psychedelics and I was talking about their utility for me . But again , these were distant memories .
Um Again , leaving aside any of the superstition and , and other worldliness and miracles that you , you know , uh we don't have to talk about at the moment and you certainly don't need to endorse in order to be interested in this stuff . Um And so that's the , the , the bifurcation between the all of the utility of psychedelics and what I'm talking about under the rubric of meditation is at this point of OK , once you realize there's a there , there , what do you do ? And what's the logic by which you're led to do it ?
