Obeyed , et cetera . All that stated it was psychedelics to me are an experience of uh altered perception , internal and external perception , altered spacetime relationship , somewhat dreamlike . I think it was Alan Hobson at Harvard for a long time , talked about the relationship between psychedelic like states and dreamlike states um because of this distortion of space time dimensionality .
But it had been , you know , 25 years since I had done that . And , and there was this resurgence in research on psychedelics and I was being asked about psychedelics and I was talking about their utility for me . But again , these were distant memories .
Could you tell us why psychedelics can be useful ? And here I give the caveats that maybe you'll feel obligated to give as well .
At the same time , it's often called pathogen , pathogen , pathogen , pathogen pathogen or an intact . It's , it's been called , um , but it doesn't tend to change perception in the way that classic psychedelics do . And it's , it's also serotonergic but it's , it's not , um uh it has to be in some part differently so than me , even LSD and , and psilocybin , which are much more similar and , and classic psychedelics , both are also serotonergic , but they're not merely so and they're , they're also different .
Um and we can talk about the , the uh pharmacology if you wanted to . But um the uh I would just say that for many of us , I mean , certainly for me , psychedelics were indispensable in the beginning in proving to me that this was uh that , that , that a first person interrogation of the mind was worth doing . You know , because , you know , I was somebody who , you know , age 17 or 18 before I had any real experience with um with MD MA or LSD or Psilocybin .
