Could you tell us why psychedelics can be useful ? And here I give the caveats that maybe you'll feel obligated to give as well .
Um Again , leaving aside any of the superstition and , and other worldliness and miracles that you , you know , uh we don't have to talk about at the moment and you certainly don't need to endorse in order to be interested in this stuff . Um And so that's the , the , the bifurcation between the all of the utility of psychedelics and what I'm talking about under the rubric of meditation is at this point of OK , once you realize there's a there , there , what do you do ? And what's the logic by which you're led to do it ?
Um and we can talk about the , the uh pharmacology if you wanted to . But um the uh I would just say that for many of us , I mean , certainly for me , psychedelics were indispensable in the beginning in proving to me that this was uh that , that , that a first person interrogation of the mind was worth doing . You know , because , you know , I was somebody who , you know , age 17 or 18 before I had any real experience with um with MD MA or LSD or Psilocybin .
Obeyed , et cetera . All that stated it was psychedelics to me are an experience of uh altered perception , internal and external perception , altered spacetime relationship , somewhat dreamlike . I think it was Alan Hobson at Harvard for a long time , talked about the relationship between psychedelic like states and dreamlike states um because of this distortion of space time dimensionality .
But it had been , you know , 25 years since I had done that . And , and there was this resurgence in research on psychedelics and I was being asked about psychedelics and I was talking about their utility for me . But again , these were distant memories .
