The True Purpose of Meditation | Dr. Sam Harris & Dr. Andrew Huberman

And now they're gonna pay attention to something , they're gonna pay attention to the breath or the sounds . And it's from the point of view of being a locus of attention that is now aiming attention strategically at an object like the breath um that there's this dualism that is set up and ultimately the ultimate promise of meditation . I mean , there are really two levels at which you could be interested in , in meditation .

The True Purpose of Meditation | Dr. Sam Harris & Dr. Andrew Huberman

And it's from the point of view of being a locus of attention that is now aiming attention strategically at an object like the breath um that there's this dualism that is set up and ultimately the ultimate promise of meditation . I mean , there are really two levels at which you could be interested in , in meditation . Um One is , you know , very straightforward and remedial and non paradoxical and very well subscribed .

The True Purpose of Meditation | Dr. Sam Harris & Dr. Andrew Huberman

And so there's a lot that's going on that is in the dark for you . And then you , you , you give someone an instruction to meditate , say , and you say , OK , let's , let's examine all of this from the first person's side . Let's look for this thing you're calling I , and again , I is not identical to the body .

The True Purpose of Meditation | Dr. Sam Harris & Dr. Andrew Huberman

Let's look for this thing you're calling I , and again , I is not identical to the body . People feel like their hands are out there and they're , when , if they're gonna meditate , they're gonna close their eyes very likely . And now they're gonna pay attention to something , they're gonna pay attention to the breath or the sounds .

The True Purpose of Meditation | Dr. Sam Harris & Dr. Andrew Huberman

And it's , it's the usual set of claims about all the benefits you're gonna get for meditation , right ? So you're gonna lower your stress and you're gonna increase your focus and you're gonna , you know , stave off cortical thinning and there's all kinds of good things that science is saying meditation will , will give you . Um And none of that entails really drilling down on this paradoxical claim that the self is an illusion or , or , or anything else of that sort .