Mindset of Winning & Losing, Managing Moral | Jocko Willink & Dr. Andrew Huberman

Because winds we know convert to energy but losses oftentimes can sap our energy way , way down . I think to start with , I think that the selection process to get into the seal teams is going to weed out a bunch of people that can't recover very quickly from something bad . So you probably heard these type of stories before the kid that was the star of the football team , the star of the basketball team , the captain of this , the captain of that , he's been winning his whole life .

Mindset of Winning & Losing, Managing Moral | Jocko Willink & Dr. Andrew Huberman

They all come to BS , they all quit , not all of them quit . But there's plenty of examples of the highest level of collegiate athlete in sports that translate very well to what you're doing in , in basic Seal training and they quit and sometimes it's because they don't know how to lose , they don't know how to recover from a loss and they're , they're just so , so I think already , and once you get to a Seal team , you've got people that are generally speaking , gonna be pretty resilient when it comes to dealing with a loss . Not only that , I mean , you just get used to .

Mindset of Winning & Losing, Managing Moral | Jocko Willink & Dr. Andrew Huberman

You're friends with this guy . You meet this guy in seal training . Hey , this guy seems like a stud .

Mindset of Winning & Losing, Managing Moral | Jocko Willink & Dr. Andrew Huberman

We know , can sure can drop things like testosterone and dopamine for some period of time . But when you were in the teams , what was your observation about how winning and losing would impact people in the short and long term ? In other words , would you observe people that had a quick reset button ?

Mindset of Winning & Losing, Managing Moral | Jocko Willink & Dr. Andrew Huberman

This is what happens . So a lot of guys that may lose and it disrupts their , their motivation . They're probably just gonna quit .